Meet Christian Mickelsen who started from nothing to become a millionaire coach. Christian witnessed his parents divorce at an early age, he thought as a child money would solve all his problems. Before finding his roots in entrepreneurship, he would get bullied and fired from job after job. His mindset on personal development and persistency empowered him to become a multi millionaire business coach who is on a mission to heal the world.
4:58 Christian witnessing his parents' divorce at a young age that led to his perspective on money
4:59 Christian talks about his student teaching experience in college about yelling everyday to get kids to listen
19:36 Christian shares his early career experience with a difficult boss that led him to quitting his job
21:57 The story of when Christian got bullied at work and caused a breakthrough for Christian to quit the job and become a coach
28:05 Christian's first entrepreneurship ventures
32:58 "Either it dies right here if I say no, or it lives on, and maybe it turns into something great if I say yes"
37:55 How to leverage opportunities to start a business without much capital to start
42:53 From coaching for free to coaching as a million dollar business
46:56 Fear of being shamed
50:38 Understanding the peace process
54:34 Letting go the shame of not having enough money
1:00:30 Entrepreneurs change the world
1:03:48 Christian's book: Abundance Unleashed and free coaching tips
1:07:29 Living an epic life
1:11:07 Success is inevitable if you're willing to do the work
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I believe that success is inevitable. Most people think, oh gosh, you know what if I fail? Yeah, what if you might fail you, in fact, you are going to fail, you know, because failures are the bricks that pave the way to success. You could be insecure, shy kid that was bullied, you could get fired from your first couple of real jobs, and still somehow find a way to be successful. If you follow your intuition. If you're courageous enough to do the things that most people are too scared to do. Success is inevitable if you're willing to do the work. And you never give up. Welcome to the Enlighten Millionaire Podcast, I'm J Flow here with you today. And today, Christian Mickelsen from San Diego is joining us a very special guest indeed. Because Christian started with nothing. And over time, became a multi-millionaire business coach and healer, who worked his way to stardom in coaching, and is now sharing the stage with the likes of Tony Robbins. He's on a mission to heal the world. Welcome, Christian to the show. Thank you. So good to be here. Very grateful for you, brother to join. And, you know, with all your accomplishment, all your achievements, I like to go all the way back. Like where did it all start for you say in kindergarden? Was there something that you you wish you would be when you grew up? Well, yes, I wish I would have friends and be popular and have people like me. And when I was in elementary school, and junior high, I didn't have a lot of friends. I have two brothers and a sister. And my next door neighbor was my best friend. So I actually felt like I had enough friends. Until fifth grade, my parents got divorced. My best friend moved. And my two older brothers moved out of state. And all of a sudden, I was like, Wait, we're all the people that I hang out with. And so I was left by myself. And, and then I'm just like, well, I don't have a lot of friends. And I don't know, like, how do I make friends? Where do I get friends and I did have some experiences. Where when I was younger before that happened, where my best friend was invited to a birthday party and I wasn't. But somehow I don't know if it was my parents or somebody or if it was me, but somebody was like, oh, you should just go to that birthday party too. And so I showed up this birthday party uninvited. And the parent was like, I don't know what we do about this. And you know, and it's just I felt awkward and unwanted to be there. My two older brothers are eight, nine years older than me. And then my, my parents wanted to have a daughter. And so then they had my sister and then they were done. And then I was a surprise baby. So I wasn't, I was like an unwanted baby. So I came in to the world feeling a little unwanted. I mean, my parents are happy. They had me in the vault and all that stuff, but and I get it because I had two kids and I thought we were done. And then all of a sudden, we got surprised with the third baby. And I was like, Oh my God. But I obviously love my all three of my daughters. But this had something in me and I was like lonely. And people teased me a lot. I got bullied as a kid. And then I read a book in junior high, The Great Gatsby, a lot of people have read that book. And two things about the book was number one, he was like this poor kid who got turned into a rich adult. But the other thing was at the end of the book, they had somebody found like his journal or something. And he had written in the back of it ways that he wanted to improve himself and improve his life. And I just remember thinking, Oh, you can actually make your life better, you can actually change yourself, you can actually make your life better. And then another pivotal thing happened, which was that my oldest brother's older friend happened to see me walking down the street one day, and he was like, Oh, hey, how's it going? He started talking to me. And at some point, he was like, oh, you know what, you should read this book. And he handed me a book. And the first book he handed me was way of the Peaceful Warrior by Dan Millman. But that's one of that's an amazing book I've read many times, they made a movie out of it called Peaceful Warrior. It's very good. But he handed me that book and many others. And I just started, like, you know, devouring all these books on personal growth, spiritual growth type books, and that so basically, I've been into personal growth since I was 12. That was, that's incredible. I want to unpack that a little bit more, because I can totally relate. When I moved here to America. I felt very alone. Even though I have two older brothers. I still felt that sense of not belonging. So I like to unpack that a little bit more, especially when you mentioned about your parents divorce. What what was the meaning that you gave to that at that age? Like what did that mean for you? Well, it meant a lot of things and fortunately, I was pretty young. And my mom was like nine. And my mom asked me because my parents fought all the time. And my mom asked me if I thought she should get a divorce. And I didn't know obviously had no idea what that word meant. But I was like, oh, that's gonna solve the problem. So yes, you should get a divorce. And so, as they were going through the divorce process, my dad just wasn't showing up to any of the court things or doing anything, because he was just like, in denial. He was like, thought maybe it would just go away or something, I don't know. And then I remember that day, the divorce was finalized, or whatever. And then my dad needed to move out of the house. And police showed up to like, tell him, okay, you know, you need to get you need to go. And I've never seen my dad cry. But he cried that day. And I saw, I'm like, he made eye contact with me. And I just remembered feeling like, wait a second, this divorce thing, maybe it's not gonna make everything better. Or maybe it makes better for some people, but not for everybody. I saw the the more of the humanity side of my dad, because he always always like, he's always so angry. He works nights. And so he'd be we'd have to be stay quiet. So he could sleep during the day. And then if we woke him up, he would get really mad and yell, you know, and then he'd be up at night. So I didn't, wasn't even around that much. But even when he was around was, who's always mad, it seemed. But now here, he was sad, and I felt responsible for it. So taking that responsibility, did you ever blame yourself? Because yeah, definitely. And when you saw your dad working, like a sort of different schedule, like working a night and sleeping dirty, what did money mean to you as a child? Well, that was one of the things I thought about all the time, always fighting about money, it seemed like money was the solution to all the problems. And that definitely played a role in my desire to get rich to make money. I think a lot of people want to make money because they want to help their family, you know, it's like, oh, I want to help my family and I want to, then it's gonna all the stress will be gone. And they'll just be love, no more fighting and stuff. That was my naive perspective on money back then. Now, I realized that money, you know, people aren't fighting about money that probably find something else to fight about. I totally relate to that. Because as a child, I saw my parents arguing over money. And I thought, okay, what can I do to make the pain stop? Ah, the solution is money. And so for me, there was like, a moment where I remember, like, peeking through the doors, listening to them argue, and I mean, running to the room and like breaking down and crying and like, make a stop making stop. Okay, I know. It's about money, thinking that it's about money. Naively. Do you remember if there was a moment like that for you? Like, where was just a over time? Yeah, I mean, they thought about money a lot. You can kind of remember, vaguely remember one time, like, sort of picture it. But the other thing was like, oh, we can't afford this. We can't afford that. We can't afford this. We can't afford that. And then I would never want to ask my parents, like my sister would ask for money all the time. She was a year older than I am. And I would like never almost never asked for money. Because I was like, I never wanted to stress out my parents or burden them or any of that stuff. So and then, like, if my mom gave my sister money, she'd give me money, too. And so like, Oh, my sister would want money for candy or something. So she gave her some money for candy, we'd go to the walk the candies to the 711 or whatever, she would get candy. And then I wouldn't buy anything, I would just hold on to the money and save it. That's how to sort of think long term and in middle school, would you mentioned about how you had this breakthrough, this insight that I could actually do something about my life? That was like a inspirational moment. And then with your with your brother's friend, somebody like sharing with you? Oh, here are different books that you can take. Take your you can level up, if you will. And how did that translate to like educational values? And how did you view education, let's say going through high school? Well, I definitely even I felt even more like an outsider while I'm reading all of these books on personal growth and spirituality and stuff like that. And then all the kids are just like making fart noises. It's not the fart noises aren't funny. I mean, they can be the whoopee cushions. Or those back in the day. You know, I like to be a goofball. Still as an adult and everything I like to I like to take you know, not take life too seriously, but it's just like, Here are these people like just doing stupid, Junior High stuff and I'm like learning about all this other stuff. It also made me value. You know, what I could learn outside of that. School way more than what I learned inside school. And part of my path to getting rich is really learning and studying other people and other people's programs, people's training programs outside of college, you can buy so many trainings on how to start a business, very specific, very niche very in depth, how to start a business, I have trainings on that specifically for people who want to be a coach, how to get started as a coach, how to grow coaching business, how to get coaching clients, and all that stuff. And so people are selling these programs for like, $2,000. And some people might be like, Oh, my gosh, $2,000, that's a lot. But you compare that to college, people will spend $100,000 give themselves $100,000 in debt, going to college in four years of their life to get a job they hate. And the barely gets them any time off. I think that's, it's so it's so crazy, like some kind of programming of what's is accepted, right? Yeah. And I did go to college, and I put myself through college and got loans and stuff like that, went to community college for the first couple years and then finished it off and regular university and because I you know, my plan was to become a teacher. So So that was your, your purpose, when you were studying to college is you already knew when did you know you want it to be a teacher? Yeah, when I was in sixth grade, I like the teacher would be teaching. And this is something really a little on the supernatural, bizarre side. But, and I didn't realize I really just got an awareness about this within the last year or so. But when I would watch the teacher teaching, I would, I would have this intuitive knowledge, I would intuitively know who was understanding it and who wasn't. And then I would also intuitively know how the teachers needed to teach it differently so that those students would know when to actually get it, they would learn it. Like I didn't think about being me being psychic or intuition or anything. I just thought it was like, like, it just seemed like everybody should know that it should naturally just kind of came natural to you. Yes. Interesting. And so I just felt like, oh, you know, I want to be a teacher. Because I'll make sure that everybody gets it. These people aren't going to be all No, because somehow I just knew it. I don't know how I knew. And I didn't. I just yeah, basically, from then on. I was just like, oh, yeah, I'm going to be a teacher. And I am a teacher today. I got a degree in Elementary Ed. But I don't teach elementary yet I teach adults how to coach and how to get clients and how to grow their business and how to market and how to heal and all that stuff. It almost seemed like you had this innate sense of empathy of being able to understand what people were understanding and not understanding. And so take me through as he was going to college, he mentioned about taking out student loans, like what did you do for money? Like, what did you how did you get a job? Like throughout college I taught gymnastics. So and this was actually pretty wild, because I was not I did a little bit of gymnastics in high school. I wasn't great. It was never a great. I was never a great athlete. But a friend of mine taught gymnastics and he was moving out of state. And he was like, and so they needed a replacement, or they needed a replacement at the gym. He worked out and he was like, oh, you should you should do a Christian because I was going to elementary ed so like, you know, I wanted to work with kids. And, and I was like, Yeah, but I'm like, I was terrible at gymnastics. He's like, That's okay. Don't be good at gymnastics. You just have to be a good teacher. And I was like, okay, and he's like, let's, I'll train you. And so then he, like, I'll train you up before you get before I go. I was like, okay, so then I went in there, he started training me. And I started teaching gymnastics. And I was like, Oh, my God, like, this is so fun. I would do this for free. And I'm like, I can't believe I get to get paid for it. I got paid more for that than I got, you know, than any other job. It was kind of a drive to get there. But it was something fun. Decent paid pretty good for being in college. Yeah, at times, it just takes like that one person that mentor, if you will, like or somebody to see something, where are the limiting beliefs we may have? Oh, that's too difficult. But someone just seeing something a possibility. And then like providing that guidance, if you will. Yes. And that's what you do today as well. So what were, if you look back during that time, and even before what would you say is like the biggest mentorship that you receive? Well, I would say it was really the books that my brother's friend was giving me because you know, I was I grew up super shy, very insecure. I felt like an outsider. And you know now I'm like, Wow, all those things were helpful being feeling like an outsider made it feel like well, I don't I already don't belong. So I'm not trying to ever try to fit in. You know, I don't need to try to fit in. I'm just going to be myself because I'm not going to fit in anyway, so I'll just be myself and who cares, which then, of course, got people to like me more anyway, because then I'm just being myself. And I gained more confidence from reading those books and just being more conscious, more peaceful, more aware, and started getting more and more confidence. As I got through high school, I started making more friends and stuff. And then, you know, when I went to college, things were pretty good. I think that's a really important insight. Because when people look at mentorship, they're like, oh, it has to be a person. But I have this belief that we are those six people that surrounding us closest to, and we have the average effect, there's the same. And I've always had this belief that that six person could actually be the grace from history that are like when when you read a book, you're getting an insight into other people's minds. So I love how that was a form of mentorship for you growing up. And so take me through, like when you were after college, so you got a degree, what was your first big career move? Well, I did my student teaching in college, and it was a terrible experience. I went into the schoolroom into the classroom, and the teacher was on the first day that I was there, that teacher was screaming, like this close into the face of one of the students. And I was like, Oh, my God, this is terrible. I'm like, This is not good. I'm like, I gotta get out of here. This is not gonna I don't want to be a part of this. And I told my people at college about it. And she and the lady that I was talking to was like, well, it doesn't look good to change, you know, to move to different classrooms and all this stuff. And I was like, alright, well, I'll stay for the I'll stay for the kids. Maybe I can help them. Well, I made a lot of mistakes, because he was so harsh, that if when I was supposed to enforce his penalties, that he was handing out left and right, I would be more lenient. And then when I got the classroom over to me, then people just felt like, Oh, he's gonna just we don't have to take it seriously. And so then they were misbehaving around me. And then I wasn't like, and I had been teaching gymnastics all these years, the kids just naturally would follow me. And it was just like, come on, whatever. It was never like behavior was never an issue. But now all of a sudden it was. And then I'm like, Oh, my God, I didn't know what to do. Then I was like, when I yelled, they took me seriously. And I was like, oh, and then then I yelled, worn on my last day, I was yelling at a kid about two inches from his face on my very last day. And I was like, What the hell happened to me. I was like, I can't coach and I can't teach. I'm like, I can't do this for a living. Even though now my whole life. I knew this is what I wanted to do. And now here I am graduating. And even when I was teaching gymnastics, as I started yelling at, in the classroom, I started yelling at my gymnast, and I never had behavior issues. And now they were like, it was just like, What the heck just happened here. And I was like, Okay, I don't even know what I'm going to do now. And I got a temporary job at a manufacturing company out in Illinois, and kind of liked it, though. It wasn't teaching but it was fun. It was challenging. It was you know, it made me think a little bit got eventually brought me on full time. There's a there's a line from a song life redirected in ways unexpected. It's from a rush song called the big wheel. And I always think about that, like how certain things happen in your life that just boom, like my whole life, I'm gonna be a teacher, and then all of a sudden, boom, no, no, you're not. No, you're not like if that if I had had a great student teaching experience, maybe I'd be a teacher today. Maybe it's still beat I be teaching in the classroom and stuff. But like, would that be fulfilling to me? Like, would I really be making the impact that I make now and so I'm grateful for that experience. And then, at that job that I liked, I got promoted, and then my boss got promoted, and then some other boss got promoted to becoming my boss. And that boss most people didn't get along with, but I got along with when he wasn't my boss. And then as my boss, he, like was totally micromanaging me. And I screwed something up and he started yelling at me about it. And I was like, You know what, I quit? And so I quit. And I didn't know what I was gonna do. And I was in between jobs Take me through that moment. Was it like on that day when verbally abusing you? He's yelling at you, like take me through that that process like that decision? Oh, my God, did you have any hesitation or like, afterwards like what did I do? Like, take me through that process? Up until I had that boss My job was like, Okay, here's what here's the outcomes that we're going for. And then I just figured out it take like, Okay, this is an I get us there. This new boss was like, here are all the steps you do you just do this, this, this, this this. And as opposed to like trying to make this thing happen. I'm trying to follow this these steps. So apparently I didn't follow those steps. And we I now we had too much inventory. And he was just like, like I told you to do this, I told you to do this and told to do this. And you didn't do this and somehow did it. And he was just like, Yeah, who's not? I mean, not screaming and yelling, but just is very, I don't know, it's a really uncomfortable conversation. And there had been some tension building between us because of whatever how he was. And I don't know. And yeah, I just was like, You know what? I'm giving you my two week notice. And then he was like, why don't you just do it right now. And I was like, fine. Wow, everybody was out to lunch. So nobody even heard it. Nobody was there. Nobody knew I was leaving. I didn't get to say goodbye to anybody. So that's, I just tacked up a bunch of stuff, threw it in a box, and then walked out the door. And I was like, Oh, my God, I was playing poker with some of the guys from work. And so they came over a few days later, and they were like, maybe you can go back and just tell them, you want your job back and your, you know, whatever. And so I thought about that. But I was like, I can't go back there. I don't want to work for that guy. And so yeah, so then I was I was in between work in between jobs for a cup for like four months. And during that time was Christmas. And I got an idea to start a business, but not the business I have right now, but a different business. And, and so I got to work starting it, I knew it was it wouldn't make enough money fast enough that I wouldn't need another job. So kept looking for a job, got hired. And my first day at this job, I was like, Oh, my God, I'm gonna hate this job. But I thought, well, maybe I could stick it out. And maybe like, in four months, I have my business off the ground. And then a year later, I was still there, I stopped trying to get my business going. I was in a relationship that wasn't working, I was out of shape. And this guy, Charles, this really short African American military guy, who was a jerk to a few people at work, like, here's a friendly guy, but I would see him be like, terrible to certain people. And I was like, well, that's not somebody that I want to have as a friend. And he but he treated me, he treated me totally cool. Until, as time went on there, a part of me was dying every day to not be going after my dream and be sucking it up at a job that I hated. And finally, one day, he called me a loser in front of everybody. And I was like, shocked, I know what to do. And then he started doing it every day walking up to me putting the L on his head in front of everybody. And I was like, Oh my God. And I was so ashamed of it. Like I didn't even I didn't tell my girlfriend what was happening. And we were having problems, too. And I just remember laying in bed, like back to back. Just feeling like everything in my life was terrible. And how did I get here, but I'd heard of coaching. And so I started looking into like hiring a coach. And then I did. And as soon as I hired that coach, all the stuff that I knew I needed to do to grow my business. I started telling her about and then I started taking action on it, getting myself going back in the gym, getting exercise and getting myself in shape. And eventually my confidence started coming back and I stood up to the bully and but I'm, I'm so grateful for Charles for bullying me like I am. If that hadn't happened, maybe I'm still working at that shitty job, you know, some other crappy job and I never would have ended up here. You know, it's like, there's these moments where we think oh, anytime something bad happens in our lives, we think it's a bad thing. But it's always a good thing, even if we can't see it in the moment. And I love that perspective of coming from gratitude. It also takes ownership of your life into your hands, right versus the victim mindset of like, Oh, this guy obviously this bullying you obviously was doing all these things that were wrong, but from the perspective of in that moment, you were like, oh, man, this sucks. But that was actually what was building up the frustration. Yes. Who caused that breakthrough of like, Alright, I need to hire coach or I need some I need to find a change, right? Yes. Yeah, for sure. So yeah, how hiring that coach you know, I just changed everything eventually quit that job and worked for myself full time got out of that relationship. Did you build up like savings? Like did you prepare the plan your escape, if you will? Well, this is the crazy thing because I I owned my own house at a very young age, like in my early 20s I bought a house. I bought it actually right before I quit the job with that boss who was micromanaging me. So I had bought it maybe just a couple months before and then I'm like I got to pay Matt to figure out how to make like my house payment, and I had these couple of months where I was unemployed trying to like find a job. And then at a certain point, I was, I was working at that job, which that new job, which I hated. And I just I got to this point in my at my job, I had didn't have a ton of money in savings, I had talked to a lawyer to copyright some stuff. And you know, when I was naming my business, like the year before that, and one of the things he said is, the best advice that I can give any business owner is take out a home equity line of credit before you quit your job, because it's so I justifies it. Yeah. Okay. So I had done that I had this home equity line of credit, I had credit cards. And I don't know how much money I had in savings, but not a ton. But I remember thinking, of course, the prudent thing to do would be to save up a lot of money, and then quit my job or get my business really off the ground and making money and then quit my job. And I remember bringing it up to my coach at the time and saying, you know, gosh, I really would love to quit this job and just really focus on my business. And she's like, she's like, that sounds like a great idea. I'm like, what she's like, well, you hate that job. Like, why are you Why would you stay there like you don't, you don't even like it. And I was like, Really, it's like, almost like she gave me permission to quit the job that I hated and work for myself. And my business wasn't making money at that time at all. But now I could have the freedom to work on it more and get it get it up and running to a greater extent. And yeah, I mean, even that was crazy, because now I hated that job. But I like and I'm an introvert. So I love I love alone time. But I'm also social. So I need like being around people is helpful. And so now all of a sudden, here I am in my house by myself, I have to get myself to do the things I need to do, I don't have anybody to talk to I only people to talk to us calling these big companies to see if they would agree to partner with me on this crazy idea which not gonna sound crazy now because of where we are in the world today. But this was back in like 99, or 2000. And the early days of the internet, and the idea was where people could buy gift cards and gift certificates online or over the phone, on my website. And so I was calling all these companies to see if they would partner with me to let them to let me sell their gift cards for them. And really gift certificates were more predominant gift cards were like kind of a new thing. Now you can go to the grocery store, and they have all the different gift cards available. He just grabbed them and you know, go to the register and pay for him. But back then they didn't have that. And so. So I remember I was like calling all these companies trying to get them to say yes, you know, and try to figure out who to talk to at the company to do it and stuff like that. Where Where did the opportunity come from? Like, how did I get across this? Yeah, The idea came because I My girlfriend was around Christmas time and my girlfriend, I wanted to get her something special for Christmas. But I couldn't think of like what to get her and I thought well, I'll get her gift certificate. And then I'm like, Well, I know she won't think that that's really all that special. Because there's not a lot of thought that goes into it. Then I saw that I thought well, I'll get her gift certificates to her three favorite places. And then she'll know it's like, Oh, he got this one because he would because he knows I like this. He got that because I know he knows I like that he got me this because he knows that like this. That'll seem thoughtful. And so I was like alright, I'm gonna go jump, hop in the car, buy some gift cards, we'll be back in a jiffy. Well, so I had to go to each of these three different stores during traffic, this traffic rush, right? Yeah, parking lots, and you know, impossible find parking in these, you know, and then I have to go walk, you know, walk into the store waiting a really long line. And then I've got one gift card. And then I was like, Okay, now I gotta go get the next one. Get in the car, drive to traffic, try to find parking, waiting along line, buy another gift card. And then I got to do it again and get this third gift card. And it took like the whole it didn't take the whole day. But it took almost the whole day trying to get these three gift cards to these three different places. And I thought to myself, There's got to be a better way, there's got to be a better way. There's got to be a better way. So and then, you know, I started looking and there really wasn't anything so then I was like, Okay, I'm gonna create a business where people could just buy gifts, you know, gift cards, and they could just send them directly to the person they want to send it to. So the opportunity and then how did you leverage it because at times, people these ideas come come up at times when people experience a problem. And then they say, okay, they started looking, there's got to be a better way they look online, nobody's doing it. Or they feel like they can find a different angle to do it better. And then they leverage it. So at times people don't take that leap. Right. So for you describe to me that time when you you wanted to take that leap? Well, the first thing was, I thought, well, I need a website for it. And websites now are cheap, much cheaper and easier. But back then to have a website where you could pick out a gift card, like the amount that you want the gift card to be in, pick out a greeting card to go with it put in a message to go with it. Like that was pretty complicated stuff. But I don't remember how but I came across a web designer who worked on it for me, and so I invested some money to create it. And but then I knew like, I need all these gift cards, I need to actually have inventory. In my thinking was I was gonna be like a visa, you know, like, they just take 3% of the swipe 1000 I'll take 5% of the swipe. But these companies like we're like, this is weird. I don't know, what are you doing? Like I you know, I remember I tried to figure out who to get who to even talk to. So finally I was like, started, like, I'm just gonna call and ask for the CEO of all these companies. So I started trying to talk to CEOs and stuff. And I remember talking to the CEO of coach leathergoods. And he was, and I actually talked to him, and he's very friendly guy. And he was like, what other companies do you have? And I'm like, Well, not yet. And he's like, Well, we're really protective of our brand, and what it's associated with, and all that stuff. He's like, maybe when you get it going more, you come back to us. And so he was pretty cool. And then finally, I talked to have, you know, would remember Borders Bookstore. Oh, yeah. Like borders, Borders Bookstore, they were like, Yeah, you could do that. But here's you what you got it, how it's gonna work is you can just buy a bunch of gift cards from us. And we'll give you a discount. And so they let you they gave me 10% off. Which is actually pretty terrible. When you talk to me think about inventory. Like when people, people buy something they want they in any store, you're probably paying twice what they paid, because they now have overhead and they have the storefront they have employees and all this stuff. So really, for two for a company and make decent money, they need to be able to charge double what they're paying for it. Now, for an online company. Maybe not double isn't as important, but 10% margins pretty slim, but I was like, Okay, well, if I could just start if I get one company that I could get other companies. So then I got suborder said yes. And they're like, Okay, the minimum purchase is $25,000. And I remember thinking, what am I gonna do, and I just had this moment of like, if I don't buy this right now, which probably wasn't true, but maybe was true to a certain extent, like either all this stuff that I've been dreaming about and putting money into this website and working on and quit my job over and all that stuff. Either it dies right here if I say no, or it lives on, you know, and maybe it turns into something great if I say yes, so I said yes, I invested the money, gave him my credit card, bought the stuff, they shipped out the gift cards. And that gave me some confidence to talk to all these other companies. And it gave me a way of that much easier for them to say yes, if I'm like, oh, I want to buy your gift cards and I started getting them at this bigger and bigger discounts from other companies sometimes 25% off so So I built up a staple of different gift cards from all these different companies and bought these greeting cards and got it all working and and then I was off to the races with it. But the thing is as the my tagline for the company, the company was called gift tastic.com I should buy that I should see if that URL is even available just because I tell the story and who knows what yeah, that the gifttastic.com was the name of the company and the tagline was send the love. Save the hassle. But now I had all the hassle of Gone everyone's hassle simplified to solve the problem for them. Yes. Now I'm like, I'm printing gift cards through my printer putting the gift card gift certificates, gift cards and gift certificates in there. Printing the mailing thing putting on the stamp sending it in the mail. And then not to mention the fact that what happens if somebody says hey, we never got that gift card, you know, it's like oh, that's gonna eat in the last one. There goes a lot of profits. But I got this thing going but ultimately I realized like now I'm doing all the hassle stuff that I didn't want to do you know that the reason why I started the company and and you know if I if I was in a different like looking back now with the idea and where I was if I had like an investor or something thing I could hire people to do the hassles part, I can just focus on really growing the top line and being a leader, whatever. Like there's a lot of things that could have done differently. But the other thing is about it was the timing was I was it the dot com crash had just had was just like, right as I was like thinking, oh my gosh, I don't know if I want to be doing, you know, printing out cards and mailing gift certificates as my job. I need to hire somebody or sell, you know, get an investor or something like that the.com crash happened. And now nobody would touch anything that dot com in the name with a 10 foot pole. Even Even amazon.com was in jeopardy. And it's like really one of the few if maybe only or few companies that survived the.com crash and it wasn't profitable. Like they were losing money losing money for many, many, many, many years. They only just recently turned a profit. I don't know, within the last five years, I think. And then as they're getting more profitable, they're like, No, we don't want to have profit we're gonna keep we're gonna try to keep spending all that money to grow the business more growing, growing the business. Yeah, I think this is great, because you took the this is one of your first entrepreneurial endeavors. Right? Now you're doing all these million dollar launches and all this impact. So this is what an incredible lesson in the learnings. So where did you go from there? Okay, well, I'm gonna back up just a sec, because there's one other entrepreneurial thing since you just said this was one of my first my, my first entrepreneurial proneural thing was when I was in college, I started a comic book, company account, not not making comic books, but you know, like, there's the San Diego Comic Con. And I don't know if there still is, but there used to be the Chicago Comic Con. But there were also these small, like baseball card shows that there really weren't comic shows. But there were some and so I was like, Well, I'm gonna create these little mini comic cons. And so I would, I would, I would rent a hotel space. And I would get people to rent tables from me. And then I would get people to come to the comic book show. And people would make money from selling comic books. And I would make money from selling from the table fees, I would have my own table and sell my comic books there. So I did like it maybe five or six shows, comic book shows when I was in college. And then I also bought tables that other people's comic book shows and sold my comics there. And so I learned a lot. I learned a lot about that. I learned that was some entrepreneurialism, and I stopped doing it when I went when I left Community College and I went to regular college because now I was kind of out in the middle of nowhere in college. So that was really my first entrepreneurial thing. And that definitely led to some, a little bit of confidence, try my own thing in other ways. At the time, when you were in college, you didn't have as much capital to start. So how did you leverage that? Like, you put it on? Well, at a car is like how did you create that? Well, I worked part time at a comic book store. And I worked part time at a hotel. So getting the hotel space was intentional, like you wanted to do that. Because of that, or you saw the opportunity. The idea of getting a job at a comic book store was like, that was my dream job, the hotel thing. Gosh, how did I even end up working at that hotel? I don't know, you must have just seen. Like, I think they might have put a sign up on the thing. You're now hiring or something. And I walked in, I was like, Hey, I'm looking for a job. And they're like, Okay, great. We need somebody that could do this for that. And like, alright, I'll do that. So I would set up. My job was to set up the conference rooms where people or speakers or weddings or whatever would be, so I would set those up. So I like got the idea to do the comic book show. You know, first I was telling the owner of the comic book store, I'm like, how you guys should do a comic book show. And I'm like, Yeah, I don't know, whatever. And then I was like, well, maybe I'll do a comic book show. And and then I talked to the hotel and I'm like, Hey, I do a comic book show on this day that get a good deal on the hotel room or whatever. And I think they gave it to me for free. And they said you got you if you set it up yourself and break it down yourself, which I could do. Is there like you could you can use it no charge. Or maybe it was like very little you know, it was but I think I got it for free for the for the first couple maybe and then they started charging me, but not that much. And so it's like Alright, well I got the hotel space now. And then I talked to the owner of the comic store. I'm like, Well, I'm going to do I'm going to do a comic book show. You know, do you guys want to have a booth or table there? And then you know other people that might want to do it and so then He told me other people. And so I got some, I don't know how many tables I had there, but, and my own of course, and then after that one, then I went to all the stores in the Chicago suburbs and said, Hey, I will give you a free table at the show, if you will hand out flyers put a flat one of these flyers in every bag and everybody's bag as they as they buy a comic book. And so a lot of them said, yes, the flyers themselves is crazy, too. My mom worked at a printing shop. Wow. So I was able to get the flyers printed for free. You weren't you're so used using the entrepreneur skills of working with what you got, right? Yeah, totally. Totally. Yeah, I know. It's so crazy, just to think of like, how things you know, sometimes just come together. And sometimes there's just that, at times in that moment, people can judge it and say like, this is not where I want to be, or it'd be too hard on themselves. And usually there's like this nudge, this nudge where this like, big pivot point, like with what you're creating out as a coach right now, as a business mentor? Like, what was that nudge for you in that direction? While you were doing your business that the gifttastic? Like, what was that match? Was that direct? Oh, yeah, that was just one Well, a few few things. One is I attended a lot of personal growth seminars now that are in my early 20s. I went from books, which I still read and still read, to now going to seminars and stuff. So now at seminars, I was making a lot of friends who were, you know, into personal growth. I also was, you know, with my gifttastic business, I started networking locally, and meeting other business owners, and there was another young, you know, in his early 20s, business owner guy, and he went to some seminars with me, and he was like, I could see you doing that. And I was like, what, like me up on stage? He like, like, Ah, I don't know if I could ever do that, you know, but just him saying, I think you could do that was like, I would love to do that. You know, I think I would, because I love I like teaching and this is kind of a teaching, right? And then I had some other friends who just thought I was making a huge impact in their lives and would write me a note or card or something and just tell me, I was making a huge difference. And then one woman who I met at one of these seminars was like, oh, you know, would you coach me? And I was, like, what, but I had been coached myself for nine months. And I had been studying personal growth since I was 12. So I, you know, like, and people are telling me, I'm making a difference. And I'm like, Well, I think maybe I could do it, you know, so I, you know, I suppose So I was coaching her for free. And I just thought, just like like, well, I'll give you you know, I'll just give you a couple free coaching sessions, and we'll see what happens. when I was a coach, coaching gymnastics, and I was like, Oh, my God, this is so fun, I would do this for free. I thought the same thing. When I was coaching her, I was like, Oh, my God, this is so fun, I would do it for free. And I was doing it for free. But I knew, since I paid for coaching that I that other people would pay me for coaching. Like if I was willing to pay for it, then other people must be willing to pay for it too. And and this is also just like, you know, fate helping is I was asked when I when I finally was like, Okay, I'm going to be a coach. I'm gonna, you know, either keep maybe I'll keep my other business going on the side, or whatever. But I'm gonna, I'm unexplored during this coaching business thing. In my first month as a coach, I had had been a member of Toastmasters, which is a place where you can learn to be a public speaker. Yeah, yeah. So I've been a member for several years, and then they were having their semi annual conference was coming up. And one of the people asked me if I would lead a workshop for it. And I was like, Sure. And then the same in the same span, that young friend who encouraged me to be a speaker or whatever. He was like, hey, we need a speaker for the Bearington Chamber of Commerce. He's like, Can you do it? Can you give us Can you do a talk for us? And I was like, yes. So my first month as a coach, I had both of these speaking opportunities. And I offered everybody to have a free coaching session with me and a bunch of people took me up on it. And then from that free coaching session, some people decided to say yes to working with me beyond that first session. And all of a sudden, I had a coaching business. Mm hmm. Now well, that's how you added that for free. Like, just to just to explore and to add value first. Yes, yeah. And I would love to say it was all smooth sailing from there. I got I got six ping coaching clients, but I wasn't charging a lot. I didn't sign them up for any really long term thing. They were just month month. I really didn't know what I was doing to get the business side of it going. But I had ideas, you know, just the free session, but I didn't, you know, it wasn't like, now I have like, that's one of the things that I think coaches need to learn the most is how to do a free session that sells. So I have actually a program called free sessions that sell the client signup system. So it's a way to do these free sessions, that adds lots of value, but makes people go yes, I want to hire you. At the end of the session, instead of, you know, I had like I did 38 of these sessions 38 free sessions, I had six people say yes, like, that's not too bad, but they were only paying me $195 a month. And with no long term commitment, if I were to do it today, I would get more than 36 people to say they wanted to have a session with me. And if the if I had those sessions, I'd get more people to say yes to hiring me for a higher amount for longer term. But I didn't know all that back then. And so the next two and a half the next two years plus my business for like this roller coaster of getting clients losing clients, gaining confidence, losing confidence, and I almost quit several times, and one time was taking out the garbage. And I thought, oh my god, it would just be easier to just go back at a job and be a garbage man, you know, and I had let my other business sort of just fade out while getting my coat, you know, while really working on my coaching business. And finally, I was told my best friend, I was like, Hey, I'm quitting. I'm doing garbage man. And he laughed at me. He's like, You can't quit. He's like, you would be terrible garbage man. Plus, you're born to be a coach, you should you gotta stick with this. And, you know, he challenged me to read a book a week, which I'm kind of a slow reader. So I was like, no, no, no, no. It's like, yes, let's do it. Let's do it. I'm like, alright. And so I started reading a book a week, every week, and also let go because I realized when I was a kid, I was teased a lot for being poor for wearing you know, old my my brother's clothes, basically, from a decade ago. Um, me too, man. Yeah, totally relate to that. Yeah. So I got teased for that. And then I also, you know, I saw kids, like, you know, if they had a new toy or something, people, I'll be your best friend, if you let me play with your toy, or whatever it is, like, oh, that's the secret. If I just had toys, and things if I had if I had money, and my parents got me things, and people want to be my friends. So this is what I had in my mind was like, being poor. I get shamed for being having money. Everybody wants to be your friend. So I but I had this shame around being poor. And I had that house that I bought. And so now I have my coaching business, I was constantly worried I was gonna lose my house. Because in my mind, my house was like the toy that people would think I was cool, because I had it, especially being in my early 20s. Not a lot of people owned the house back then, in my, in my circles. So now I was like the cool kid who had the house. And now if I lost the house, I would no longer be the cool kid. And now it'd be back to being the shamed kid who's poor. And I didn't know this was going on at time, but eventually realizing that was there. Yes. But eventually I realized, like, oh, because I was like, What am I? Why am I so worried about losing my house? Like, am I really worried about being homeless? Like, doesn't feel scary to be homeless? And then would I even be homeless if I lost my house? But you know, I'd have to stay at a friend's house sleep on a couch relative friend like what I really be like, What am I so afraid of? I realized this is one of the breakthrough things that I realized is that all of our fears, our fears have feelings. We're not afraid of the situation. We're not afraid of the situation. We're afraid to feel the feeling that the situation so I was afraid to lose my house not because I wouldn't have the house anymore. Like, okay, great. I don't have the house. Now. I go live in an apartment or I go stay at a friend's or maybe I am out on the street, but I wasn't even that wasn't didn't feel scary to me. I was just like, what was I so afraid of it, I was really afraid of to feel the shame that I felt as a kid. And so when I realized that was able to feel that and let it go. Then I just was like, Okay, I'm just gonna focus on getting clients helping people. I even made a plan in my head. I'm like, Okay, if I end up homeless, I lived in Chicago at the time. I'm like, I'm just gonna go. I'm just gonna go walk or drive in from my car. I'm just going to drive south so I'm homeless, where it's warm. And I'll just coach people for free and like, help people out maybe people will take me in or donate money to me or something. But this was, this was like my, my backup plan if things didn't work with coaching, but I was like, I read it, the book, the profit by Killough Doubront. In there, he talks about work, and it's, you know, it's better to be a beggar than to bake a bitter bread if you don't, if you don't want to be a baker, and here you are, and you're, like, all angsty and hate baking and you're making the bread, it's gonna put that bad energy into the bread and it's better, better just be a beggar and do what you love than did then to do what you hate just for money. And so I had read that and I was like, alright, well, I'm going to be a coach. This is what I love to do. And if I'm homeless, I'm homeless, but I'm just going for it. And so there was just something freeing about like, Just letting it all go. And this is what I, this is who I am. And this is what I'm here to do. And let the chips fall where they may Talk to me more, I like to explore that feeling of letting it go. Like, was the process was it like, what was that, you know, free moment because at times people will continue to live, because they're there they're in this was a paycheck to paycheck and they're stuck because they're afraid of losing something they're afraid of losing. So they just keep it the same. Yeah, well, you talk about about that free moment. What was that like for you? Well, sometimes awareness in and of itself is curative. You know, kids freeing, so it's like, oh, and just like knowing that, you know, there's nothing to be ashamed of, like, if you're an entrepreneur, and you're trying to make things happen if you lose your house, or whatever, that's like, in fact, many entrepreneurs have lost their houses and become homeless, you know, so it's like, maybe it was even a badge of honor, you know, if I did lose my house, and my car or whatever. So I kind of reframed the way I looked at it, instead of looking at it as Oh, I'm gonna be this shamed. You know, this kid that's gonna be shamed and teased and bullied for his clothes. I mean, I had glasses back then, and I my glasses broke, and I actually had had to wear glasses with tape on them. You know, I was like, the typical, difficult nerd, nerd back then. But that's what I was like, I don't want to do then. But I'm like, realized, well, I'm not there. Now. I do have friends. Now my friends aren't gonna like stop being friends with me, just because I don't have my house anymore. I didn't have the tools then that I have now. But now I've developed some incredible tools for being able to let go of that the, the repressed feelings that we're so afraid of, I have a prop. It's called the peace process is one of them, where you just find where in your body the feeling is, like, oh, that I don't want to feel the shame or where where's that shame, you're trying not to feel? Oh, it's here. Okay. So then you just put your finger on it. And you just let the feeling be there without trying to change it or analyze it without trying to make it go away. And you just tune into it. And if the feeling moves, you move your finger with it. And sometimes it just disappears down there pops up here or whatever. And whenever it feels like it's finally gone. Then you think about the thing again, and you notice if it's maybe still a little left, or maybe it's completely like oh, I don't feel I feel totally at peace. If there's still a little left, you just keep tuning in until it's gone. Then you check back in again. Okay, I lose my house. Am I gonna feel any shame? Maybe a little bit. Okay, just last little bit tuned into it. And if it seems like it's gone, alright, if I lose my house? Shame, no, there's no shame in that. I feel free. Yeah, they'll get rid of that that limiting belief that you are the identity of holding that house and what you would be shamed if you let go of it. Because I just I love how you explore the Why, like you got in tune of okay, I'm afraid of losing my house. But why is that? And then going deeper to uncover asking why the uncover the reasoning behind that. Underneath that? Absolutely. Part of that was because my best friend back in the day. We used to get on the phone and Buddy coach each other almost every day. So like, you know, getting asked the questions, and what's the worst that could happen? And why is that so bad? And all that stuff. There's definitely some good, good support. I think there's something about coaching that really needs to be said, of being able to say out loud and express yourself, like for you and your buddy like being able to buddy coach with each other. Even just talking out loud, because at times the mind when it builds up inside can make it this big thing. And then having your experience of oh, how many times have we done that? Where we did something and we look back? We're like, there's nothing? That's easy. Yeah. Right. And so as you're going through the journey of creating your incredible coaching business, like your relationship with money, like When was the moment like you, you realize, oh, I broke free of feeling like I was just gonna be shamed for being poor growing up, like, what was that moment of breakthrough for you? And was it a certain number in the bank account was a certain, like, big deal, big stage, like for that moment of like, you're like, ah! Well one of the things is, because I had all that shame about money and stuff. I was constantly worrying about money. And I always thought, well, once I'm making a certain amount, then I'll be at peace. Once I have a certain amount in the bank, then I'll be at peace. And as I approached those numbers or even achieved those numbers, I realized like, I'm not at peace, like they're still I'm still worrying about money. And you know, and that was during the ups and downs like I was make money, and then I would, it's like a roller coaster ride in the early days, my coaching business, you know, and so that was tied to that shame, like, Okay, if I don't have the money, then it's gonna lead to shame. And so that's what I was really worried about. I didn't realize it yet. But eventually I realized it. And once I let that go, that was definitely a breakthrough. Once I let go of the fear of the shame of not having enough money, then I started making a lot more money. And then as I was making a lot more money, life is getting better and things are fun and everything. But then I launched a group coaching program, my first like real launching of a group code, I did a few tester ones just to kind of, like, get experienced with it. But finally, I was like, I made one, like, I created one that was, I felt like, Okay, this is gonna be a big this could be, this could be a thing. So I promoted it. And all of a sudden, my income jumped to 250,000 a year. And I started feeling so much anxiety about making so much money. So instead of feeling bad about not having enough money, now I'm feeling bad about having money. And so I needed to like, I had to do a lot of work on that, to let that go. And I'm not sure exactly what I was afraid of. I was afraid that people would judge me for being rich. Mm hmm. You know, I had put I had this Lexus, hardtop convertible at Lexus SC 430 was on my vision board. And now it's making enough money that I could buy it. And I was like, and then I did buy it. And then I was driving around, and I was like, people were getting attention driving around in it. And then I was like, like, I've made me feel uncomfortable. Like, oh, my gosh, you know, I'm getting people are looking at like, the thing, the reason you would might want the car is because you want the attention. And then like you get the attention and you're like, oh my gosh, and then you think, Oh, that they're thinking they probably think I'm an arrogant jerk. Or like all the things that I must have been judging or are saw that other people were judging, rich people about now all of a sudden, like, Oh, I'm worried about all those judgments myself settled, let all that go. So that was a bit that was a breakthrough moment. There probably several. In the early days, when I was struggling with money. The other thing I had is like I hated money, I was mad at money. I felt like money, just like I'm a coach can't Why did God do this screw up this whole economy thing, like why can't I just do what I love and have the money just show up in my account. And eventually I was I let that idea go. And I just took on more responsibility for money. And I realized that like God set it up perfectly, because if it worked the way I wanted it to, I would help people a little bit. But having to learn how to do marketing, sales and marketing so that I could understand what clients most want, what they're trying to achieve, and how I can best help them makes me be able to deliver better results better value. And by being having to learn how to talk about coaching in a way that makes people want to pay for coaching. Made it so that like then the clients value it. And then they have skin in the game. Because when people pay, they pay attention. And so when they're paid when people pay for coaching, it's like, oh, I'm going to take it seriously, because I'd done a lot of free coaching. And a lot of times those clients would flake on their sessions, I'd be like chasing them, hey, we have our session right now, you know, they wouldn't do any of the work. And so so that was a that was one of the early breakthroughs I had to let go of. And then eventually, you know, really just appreciating that money is beautiful. You know, money is just, it's like air. I mean, it's like sunlight. It's like water. It's just, it's so ever present. Like there's so much money in the world, I grew up feeling like money is so scarce. And now I like money is so abundant, it's everywhere, it's easy to get, you know, if you create value, the best way to get rich is by enriching the lives of other people. There's a lot of ways to enrich people's lives, you can enrich the lives of a lot of people or a small number of people very deeply, or both. There's just so much that we could do to make to create value. One of the things I'm I'm always asking myself is how can I create more value? How can I add more value? That's one of the things I love about entrepreneurialism is most people a lot of people and I was you know, I'm, I'm recently single, and I've been going on dates and some of the I was on a date recently with the younger lady. And, you know, she was just like, anti capitalism and anti you know, it's just so and I was like, Whoa, it's like so crazy that people think this way. Yet she actually wants to start up her own business. But she's like, you know, society is messed up and capitalism is bad and you know, it does all these things and and I was just like, well, you know, most every person most every business owner I know has a idea for a business that's going to help people in some way yeah, they care about people they want to help people, their product or service does help people and and their product and service makes life better for people. You know, the world if we got rid of entrepreneurs, what would we'd all be like living in caves still, you know, what would life be like we keep innovating and coming up with something and a new product, or new spin or new brand or new new, something that makes life better for everybody. Entrepreneurs, change the world, entrepreneurs make the world a better place. And, you know, I'm proud to be one. And I think everybody who takes the risks on themselves goes for it when it's hard, and had to be a courageous soul to, to even start a business and then be like, you know, keep it going. I've been a coach for 20 plus years. And hats, I praise, I bow down to my fellow entrepreneurs, for courage for their tenacity for their contributions to the world. And so anybody that's thinking about starting a business, go for it, you know, and even if it's not, if your business like my first thing that the gifttastic thing was like it didn't turn into a big thing. But it got me into the game and it got me going and got me down the right path, got me to study, start doing public speaking and do network a Chamber of Commerce's which then led me to get those first talks, which led me to get my first clients in my coaching business, not everything is gonna go, you know, it's not like oh, start this business and then just a straight line to success and, you know, life in ways unexpected, just never know where things gonna, where things are gonna go and how things are gonna turn out What and incredible journey and Christian from when you were young, and witnessing your parents argue over money, getting divorced, and that feeling of alone and, and even being bullied and shamed into clothes that you're wearing, and then thinking, as a young kid, you know, money is the solution, right? Money is the solution and also been in tune, even as a sixth grader have been empathy of realizing that I want to be able to teach and I want to be able to help people because you can tune into what those around you what they're actually processing, learning what they're not, right. And then from there, realizing through reading books, from your brother's friend, offering you a book of potential vision that you could change your own life and mentorship that you surround yourself with, in, in learning from those that came before us. Right. And then going through that in in college and working multiple jobs and diving into entrepreneurial endeavors, right, even starting out with student loans and building those experiences. And learning from getting rooms in hotels, at the comic bookstores and combining like what you're witnessing and presents to when you were shopping Christmas, and seen a problem of actual problem and seeing that opportunity and leveraging that opportunity to start a business. And then that transition to starting from personal development at age 12. And just people being able to your friends sharing with you the vision of if it's possible, that you should be on the stage you should be in and that taking that and growing from that into who you are today. And releasing the limiting beliefs have just been an abundance of, of energy and that abundance mindset that allows you to teach and channel energy and flow in money to people around you. What an incredible journey man. What's next for you? Yes, well, getting started in my coaching business and struggling in those early days was tough, but persevering, and making it successful has been so rewarding. And then I've gone on now to teach other coaches how to start their coaching business, my business, won the Inc 5000 award for being one of the fastest growing companies in America. We did it four years in a row. I've written several books, including a great book on abundance called Abundance Unleashed, which I recommend everybody check out. And then also my other number one best selling book get clients today, which I'd be happy to give everybody here who's thinking about being a coach, you can go get that for free at getclientstodaybook.com. And what's next for me is I also do this powerful healing work. You know, he talks about the peace process. I do this energy healing technique called the instant miracle technique. And it's seems to be the most powerful, most fastest, most permanent way to change fears, doubts and limiting beliefs and also to help people heal physical issues that they have. And we've had people who had lifelong migraines now I get migraines anymore. People who needed hearing aids not eating anymore, people who need glasses not eating them anymore. We just had someone who was scheduled to get double corneal transplants in her eyes. And she went in, and then they scanned and she didn't need to have the surgery anymore. So we're getting all sorts of miraculous healings, both internal, you know, emotional sorts of things, as well as physical, using these techniques. So really, the next the next, what's next for me is really just getting that out in the world in a big way. And I have a live event coming up next year called Live limitless with these healing techniques, I use them for myself to get through my own limitations, I use it with my clients to help them get through their limitations. And really, living limitless is all about having nothing, the the biggest thing holding people back from getting what they want in life is themselves. And so Live limitless is all about, you know, being aware of what those limitations are, and having a system for methodically releasing all of those limitations so that we can live the life that we want, while my business has grown so much. And I made those the Inc 5000 list, you know, all those times and all that stuff. I've been working part time since my oldest daughter was born 11 years ago. So there's no limit to what we can have, you know, you can become a multi millionaire, doing it part time. You know, you don't have to sacrifice most people have all these things that like, I've got a sacrifice this, that I've got a hustle, I work 180 hours, I'm not willing to do that, because I have kids. Well, that's not true. You don't have to do that. I mean, sometimes you might like, you know, I work part time, but then there might be a week where I got to work 60 hours that week or something, maybe I got a hustle and grind. Maybe 80 hours in a week, I'm leaving a live event. Those are long days, you know, but most part, you know, you don't that's not true. And so we give up on all our dreams, or we think we shouldn't even dream that big. Because who am I to have all this? It's not fair for me to have that when other people can't have it. But everybody can have it. It's fair. Anybody who wants to get what you want, it would be fair for you to get it because because you're the one who would make it happen and other people can do it too. And and you don't you, you making it happen is going to be an inspiration for other people to be able to make it happen. Yes, yes, yes. See, see, it's possible, just like you're sharing your story of where you come from, that it's possible. And removing those self doubts are those limiting fears or limiting beliefs Yeah, so we want to let go of those limitations. So what's next for me is really, it's really that live event limit, Live limitless. And the healing because we're gonna do healing at the event, and just getting out in the world in a bigger way. And then if people want to, like, learn how to do the healing, we have a training for that called instant miracle mastery.com. So people can check out instantmiraclemastery.com They want to learn how to do that for themselves and others. And you know, some people are just going straight to learning that and then it's like, oh, once you learn how to do that, then it's like, Oh, I could make a business out of this. And they want to learn how to grow coaching business and do the healing as part of their coaching business. And, and that's a beautiful thing. So that's really where I'm at is, you know, I want to get people you know, off the couch off their cell phone, except for when they're listening to our podcast and out in the world living it, you know, live in live in epic life. I was I was hanging out with a friend that was going to be moving. And I realized I was like, wow, you know, we're not gonna be hanging out much anymore. And I was just like, I really want you to live an epic life. You know, and I was like, wow, you know, I bet God feels the same way about all of us. God probably just wants us all to live an epic life, what would be an epic life for you? Now most people people think, oh, an epic life. That means you're going skydiving and you're like live driving race cars. Well, that's somebody's idea of an epic life. Somebody else's idea of an epic life is hanging out in a hammock and just chillin on the beach. Somebody else's idea of an epic life is being able to take your kids to the park during the day, you know, any day or whatever, and not have to be working around the clock. But just getting clear on what it's an epic life for you. And then go live it What is What do you most hope people get from your story? I hope they get inspiration that you know, if you no matter where you start, you seemed like I did. One of the things I didn't share is I got fired from that from that comic book job. I also got fired from UPS. So I was working at UPS that I was working at a comic shop and then I got hired at the at the hotel. So I got fired from UPS. And then I got fired from the comic book shop eventually, because I couldn't read the numbers fast enough to accurately enough to sort the packages into the right zip codes, like the zip codes to get them in the right bins. So they either wanted me to go faster, and then if I go faster, my accuracy dramatically dropped or they wanted me to be accurate. I'm like, Well, you got to pick one guys. They're like, well, we are gonna pick we're gonna pick somebody who can do Both of those things so then the comic book store, similarly, I had to count down the register every night. And I, like they were like, Well, hey, that number, the amount of money in the register doesn't match the amount that you're supposed to have based on all the transactions during the day. And so Oh, man, I don't know, try better, right? So kept talking to me about it. And then finally, they were like, look, that's a problem. But there's a bigger problem, the bigger problem is, the amount of money that you're writing on saying is in the drawer isn't the money isn't the amount that's in there. So now what we need to do is we need to get you to count the money, and have it actually be the right amount of money that's in there, even if it doesn't match, but let's least say if you say there's $238.62, let's make sure that that's the that's the right amount. And so then I would count the money. And I would write down the amount, then I would double count it, and I get a different amount. And then like but that that I've counted a third time. And I'm like, well, whichever, whichever one, they came up with it twice. And whatever. One that third time they came up with twice, can't get close to pick one of the first ones I don't know, I for whatever reason, it could not count the money in the drawer. And then eventually they let me go. And so one thing is, you can be really bad at certain things. But that doesn't, you know, mean, you're terrible person doesn't mean you're stupid. There's other things that you can be good at, right? I'm good at teaching. I'm bad at counting, right? I'm good at making money. I'm not good at counting money, but I'm good at making money. And I'd much rather be good at making money. You know, what I didn't start start out being good at making money that right? Like, that was something that I had to learn and get better at. So I think most people I would love them to take away as you know, you could be insecure, shy kid that was bullied, you could get fired from your first couple of real jobs out of high school. And think your must be a stupid loser. And still somehow find a way to be successful. If you follow your intuition. If you're courageous enough to do the things that most people are too scared to do start your own business. And the other thing is that I believe that success is inevitable. Most people think, oh, gosh, you know, what, if I fail? Yeah, what if you might fail you in fact, you are going to fail? You know? Because failures are the bricks that pave the way to success. But success is inevitable if you're willing to do the work. Yes. And you never give up. Right? Maybe it wasn't in the you know, maybe my comic book business. I did have success in that. But maybe that No, I didn't that didn't make my fortune with my comic book business. And it wasn't in my gift tastic, gift certificate business. But you know, eventually I found the thing that's really my calling. And some people were like, well, I just want to jump right to the thing that's my calling. Well, sometimes you can't figure out what that is until you do the other stuff. Or sometimes the other stuff is really laying the foundation and giving you some of the skills that you're going to need for your the real thing, if you didn't get it from the other stuff. And he tried to get it from the real thing that maybe you would have clicked on the thing that really you needed to be doing. But because it was hard, and it really if you kind of build up your muscles on the other things, and then you bring it to the thing that you're supposed to be doing. You just never know how it's all gonna work. But just keep at it, keep doing it. Don't let fear stand in your way. Keep working through your limitations. And yeah, Live limitless. How would you define what comes up for you when you hear the words Enlighten Millionaire? Well, I think just similar to what I said earlier, in terms of the best way to get rich is by enriching the lives of other people. So you know, if you want to be a millionaire, and you want to do it, and in an enlightened way, then you do it in a way that you feel guided to in a way that actually you're a servant leader that you're doing, you're creating value for other people. You know, there are a few, obviously bad apples out there that just want to make money, don't care about people and might lie, cheat, steal that do it, but that those people are actually very few and far between. In my experience, most everybody really cares and wants to be an enlightened millionaire. And a bonus question for listeners here. If you had to start it all over, and you only had $1,000 in your bank account, what would be a side hustle you would start and why? I would start coaching because it's a great way to add value. You don't need products and inventory. I would probably just join a local couple of local with my $1,000 at join a couple local networking events. Maybe use some of the money for some coach training. I have some great coach training that we offer that not super expensive. So you know, so you could learn how to do the coaching. And then yeah, offer some free sessions that people you meet at these networking events and see if you can turn them into into clients. And if I had to start, obviously, if I could start over knowing what I know, yeah, I would just go to some local chambers, Chamber of Commerce or local networking groups offer some free sessions, sign up clients. I mean, I think I could, you know, have $100,000 business, within, you know, within 30 days, maybe within a week or two weeks, knowing what I know. But yeah, that's what I would do. Amazing. Hey, thank you so much, brother for your time, your energy, your purpose and mission to heal the world. I'm on the path as well. And I'm just so grateful to you and our time together. And our brotherhood and our friendship. I learned so much from you. I really mean that. And I'm excited for you. I'm excited for what's to come. So thank you for this time. My pleasure. Thanks for having on Flow On!